tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16987959.post4687577685812289921..comments2023-09-08T06:00:52.885-05:00Comments on My Review: Wright on ...somethingNickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15947647596648031553noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16987959.post-49695834279600902842008-03-06T14:25:00.000-06:002008-03-06T14:25:00.000-06:00It's been suggested to me that Mark's reading here...It's been suggested to me that Mark's reading here was the correct one and that I was misunderstanding the passage. I'm not yet convinced.<BR/><BR/>So just to let you know...I'm probably wrong in my reading of Wright. I still think my two story idea (at http://amdg-ska.blogspot.com/2008/03/on-wright-something.html)<BR/>isn't a bad one and is rather helpful. It just might not be as helpful hear as I had hoped.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15947647596648031553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16987959.post-47992214281944478712008-03-02T19:30:00.000-06:002008-03-02T19:30:00.000-06:00Ben,I always feel bad when discussing Wright becau...Ben,<BR/><BR/>I always feel bad when discussing Wright because I only really write about him when I disagree with him. When I agree with him, I tend to just assume his point and go on. In other words, I'm afraid that my portrait of Wright isn't all that right.<BR/><BR/>On the magic point, I think he's just saying that sin can't be wished away. Something has to happen for things to change (ie Christ had to die).<BR/><BR/>On the other bit, I think you're missing what he's saying. By speaking of those who thought that "purgatory would still be necessary because one would still need to bear some punishment for one's sins...", I think he's pointing out that some might say that even though our sins are forgiven, we still need to suffer the consequences of that sin. So we would still need to bear punishment for forgiven sins. I think he's right to note that this view would be quite unorthodox.<BR/><BR/>I have some thoughts on how I would try to go about reconciling his statements, but I'll put those into a separate blog post.<BR/><BR/>Mark,<BR/><BR/>I think you'd be exactly right if Wright was talking about the death of our disposition or propensity to sin. But since this comes up in the context of his discussion of purgatory and dealing with sins when/after we die, I tend to think that there's a real difference here.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15947647596648031553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16987959.post-24974252477703625342008-03-01T16:48:00.000-06:002008-03-01T16:48:00.000-06:00That's really interesting. I'm speaking as a comp...That's really interesting. I'm speaking as a complete outsider here--having never made the jump to N.T. Wright, as you well know--but I can't help feeling really uncomfortable with some of his statements, like: "this isn't magic but good theology."<BR/><BR/>By what criteria? I'm sure he answers this, but...<BR/><BR/> Also: "any such suggestion is of course abhorrent to anyone with even a faint understanding of Paul." My. How many Christians (vaguely characterized as "some older teachers") have had no understanding of Paul.<BR/><BR/>Finally, based only on the snippets above, I wonder how important the word "still" in the first bold-faced quotation might be, and how it might help reconcile the two statements. But, again, I don't have enough grasp on Tom's theology to talk intelligently on this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com